i thought i made the moral case for obama care, for you folks to consider obama care as a measure of community in america. that's what motivates barack obama. he knows it's tough. >> he lifts it up. >> the last 15 minutes of this interview were extraordinary. i've never seen anything like it where a president kind of unburdened himself to you about why he's in the ball game. and i thought he made a very compelling case for his own decency, whatever the screw ups were managerially, and they were real. >> i felt like we saw two interviews with the president. in the first half of that interview, you saw a man who was incredibly frustrated by what i think he sees as the smallness of the debate in washington where we don't talk about the big things, but we boil it down to petty fight, frustrated incredibly with the republicans and the media, but he was trying to move forward grand issue, somebody who really is in league or in line with the way the pope feels about social justice. this is a guy who fought for social justice. in that second half, i think you saw him stripped away from just